Which Honda 600?

 > I am looking to buy a 600 CBR but there are 2 models available. Is the
extra
 > money on the RR worth it? Please advise. And how are insurance rates in
NYC?
 >

come on....
What are you looking in a bike? do you prefer underseat exhaust with lame
comfort? if so buy the RR, if not take the F4.


--
Mike
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If you are going to do track days, then get the 600RR, if not, get the F4.
It is an extremely capable bike and will be more comfortable the the RR in
normal riding conditions.

"WiNsToN DiRecTo" wrote in message

 > I am looking to buy a 600 CBR but there are 2 models available. Is the
extra
 > money on the RR worth it? Please advise. And how are insurance rates in
NYC?
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:55:04 GMT, "WiNsToN DiRecTo"
wrote:

 >I am looking to buy a 600 CBR but there are 2 models available. Is the extra
 >money on the RR worth it? Please advise. And how are insurance rates in NYC?

CBR 600 RR looks like a hell of a beaut. F4 looks good too. But, I
really love that center up exhaust (never liked side hanging exhausts
which messes up bike symmetry and driving machines always look best
when symmetrical). RR in Black looks so sweet. Yellow looks good too.

I'd take a 600 RR on looks alone. But, of course, you should ride both
just to see which one you prefer.

The mags seem to suggest that the F4 is an all time favorite and that
the RR is a wonderful new performer too. You probably can't go wrong
either way.

I went into a showroom last month and saw a RR in person and it looks
even sweeter in person. The black one looks really cool.

If I had the dough I would be on a black 600 RR right now.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:55:04 GMT, "WiNsToN DiRecTo"
wrote:

 >I am looking to buy a 600 CBR but there are 2 models available. Is the extra
 >money on the RR worth it? Please advise. And how are insurance rates in NYC?

Detailed Review on the RR:
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.epinions.com/content_97731513988" target="_blank">http://www.epinions.com/content_97731513988</a>
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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:57:43 -0700, okeh wrote:

 >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:55:04 GMT, "WiNsToN DiRecTo"

 >
  >>I am looking to buy a 600 CBR but there are 2 models available. Is the extra
  >>money on the RR worth it? Please advise. And how are insurance rates in NYC?
 >
 >Detailed Review on the RR:
 >http://www.epinions.com/content_97731513988

The article in question, while well-written, sounds a bit contrived,
amigo.

There is no "overwhelming demand for this machine." Every Honda
dealer in the PacNW has plenty on the showroom floor. They'll deal,
like on any other bike. Japanese 600s have an ugly tendency to lose
significant value quickly. Always have, always will: what color to
you want, and how many?

At least it's correctly reported the Honda's a racetrack-serious ride.
That door swings both ways, however: I don't see any discussion of the
twenty-five pound weight delta sacrificed to the ZX636B and R6,
aggressive riding position, peaky power delivery, and lack of ground
clearance. Fair and balanced reporting, guy.

I've read a lot of 600 Supersport tests this year, online and in
print, British, American, and Australian. There are common themes.
An informed consumer might wish to make a similar due-diligence effort
prior to spending eight big ones or more.

Being most interested in track behavior, I personally enjoyed the
extensive Roadracing World test of the new Gixxer 600, R6, Kawi ZX-6R
and RR, and Honda 600RR. In that particular environment, roadracers
riding stock bikes, they rated the CBR third, R6 second, and ZX636B
first. 'Why' might be of interest to prospective track riders. (To
be fair, street riders might look elsewhere for more-relevant
testing.)

Motorcycle Online did NOT test the Honda in their shootouts, unf.
Honda was pissed with MO at the time, apparently. There are many
other resources available, however.

Personally, I think the Honda's cool, with impressive technology, but
there's always a Hyde opposite Jekyll. The reviewer partially redeems
the effort with the following:

"The bottom line is there is really no "best" choice- choosing the
optimum 600 motorcycle is highly dependant on rider skills and style
of riding, clearly a very subjective thing. Nevertheless, in terms of
the whole "package" the CBR600rr is the ultimate 600 I've yet seen
which can do track work AND real world aggressive riding."

'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX-6R, 2000 RSV Mille, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:38:47 GMT, Daniel Bannon
wrote:

 >The article in question, while well-written, sounds a bit contrived,
 >amigo.

Why would you say that? I thought the review was quite applicable,
especially since the reviewer lived in the similar geographic
locations as the originator of this thread. Also, the reviewer has
reviewed a wide variety of consumer products why would he contrive it
all?

So, why are you dissing the reviewer without any evidence of his
insincerety? Just because he recommends something that you haven't
tried?

Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Why so? Practicing
for debate team?

 >There is no "overwhelming demand for this machine." Every Honda
 >dealer in the PacNW has plenty on the showroom floor. They'll deal,
 >like on any other bike. Japanese 600s have an ugly tendency to lose
 >significant value quickly. Always have, always will: what color to
 >you want, and how many?

So, no one should buy a 600 just because it loses value? Doesn't
everything lose value after being bought, especially the most
technologically advanced? This applies to most new cars too and yet
that hasn't stopped people from buying new cars.

 >At least it's correctly reported the Honda's a racetrack-serious ride.
 >That door swings both ways, however: I don't see any discussion of the
 >twenty-five pound weight delta sacrificed to the ZX636B and R6,
 >aggressive riding position, peaky power delivery, and lack of ground
 >clearance. Fair and balanced reporting, guy.

The guy was an individual reviewing the 600RR. He's not a magazine and
doesn't have the time nor resources to compare every single bike in
the same class. Consumer reviews are usually limited to 1 product that
they have good first hand experience. There's nothing wrong with that.
Also, he happens to like the 600RR. There's nothing wrong with that
nor reporting about it. Consumer reviews are like that to help stay on
topic.

 >I've read a lot of 600 Supersport tests this year, online and in
 >print, British, American, and Australian. There are common themes.
 >An informed consumer might wish to make a similar due-diligence effort
 >prior to spending eight big ones or more.

But apparently you did not read the original poster's request on which
Honda 600 to get.

 >Being most interested in track behavior, I personally enjoyed the
 >extensive Roadracing World test of the new Gixxer 600, R6, Kawi ZX-6R
 >and RR, and Honda 600RR. In that particular environment, roadracers
 >riding stock bikes, they rated the CBR third, R6 second, and ZX636B
 >first. 'Why' might be of interest to prospective track riders. (To
 >be fair, street riders might look elsewhere for more-relevant
 >testing.)

Repeat, the original poster asked about which Honda 600 to get.

 >Motorcycle Online did NOT test the Honda in their shootouts, unf.
 >Honda was pissed with MO at the time, apparently. There are many
 >other resources available, however.

Point being? That Honda felt their new 600 bike deserved a review by
MO and Honda felt it had nothing to hide?

 >Personally, I think the Honda's cool, with impressive technology, but
 >there's always a Hyde opposite Jekyll. The reviewer partially redeems
 >the effort with the following:

So, it turns aggressive at night? Ok ... sure....

 > "The bottom line is there is really no "best" choice- choosing the
 >optimum 600 motorcycle is highly dependant on rider skills and style
 >of riding, clearly a very subjective thing. Nevertheless, in terms of
 >the whole "package" the CBR600rr is the ultimate 600 I've yet seen
 >which can do track work AND real world aggressive riding."

So, how did you plan to redeem yourself for getting way off topic
without personally reviewing either the F4 or the RR?

Now, obviously the best way to choose the best bike for oneself is to
test it out in person but you have not and yet you are dissing Honda
600s for some odd reason. At least the 600 RR reviewer had first hand
experience.

And most importantly, remember, the original poster asked about 2
Honda 600s. He may have good reason for choosing a Honda 600 (i.e.,
preference for a 600 class, reliability and desire for newer
technology, bad experience with other brands).
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